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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 15, 2011 8:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: The MATRIX debate

Personally I like them for the most part, but it depends on the era. Most straight SBD recordings form the late 80s and the 90s sound like shit- they are thin on the drums, all midi and electronic with no life or ambience. And yes- there are some good shows from this era! AUD recordings from the 70s are worthless, EXCEPT for use in creating a MATRIX, but you can't really beat a straight 70s SBD, especially if Charlie or Jay has gotten their hands on it and sprinkled it with fairy dust.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

70's AUD's are worthless? Even during the wall of sound era? Have you tried listening to all of them, talking to any tapers, or people doing Audio remastering work? By 1973, taping equipment was becoming very high quality. So was the Grateful Dead's sound system.

I have some GD AUD tapes I recorded at shows in 1973 that I will not circulate... because they do sound lousy. Why? Bad taper location for my mic. Also, for some shows in 1973, the prototype wall of sound was crappy sometimes. The sound I was hearing coming from their PA had different sound quality, at different FOB locations, at different times. Other tapers were at these shows, and their tapes are in circulation. Listening to them demonstrates my notion. They sound better than mine. Yet, I was using some very good taping equipment.

I have some other GD AUD tapes I recorded at other shows in 1973 that I did circulate... because they sound incredible. Why? Great taper location for my mic, the sound crew hit a homerun, and the prototype wall of sound PA created the most incredible sound I ever heard, when everything was optimized well. The GD, and their audiences, picked up on this because they could "hear" an amazing sound. They knew great sound when they heard "IT". These tapes of mine are in circulation. GD's RFK Stadium 1973 AUDs of mine are beautiful sounding recordings. They played fairly well at these shows. No other complete recordings existed for these shows. I've called the 73-06-10 show a Modal Spectacle.

I have more audio tapes in circulation from the 1970s - recordings other than the GD. Some are AUDs, most are SBDs. There are no other tapes to compare in these cases. Americana is what I taped.

In general, bands tend to play better when the sound system is very good. Bands tend to play shitty when the sound system sucks. The audiences clearly pick up on this, hear the differences, and have witnessed this interaction At the end of the day, downloads from The Archive for my tapes exceed 100,000 hits. My torrents for these tapes of mine have been leeched maybe 25,000 times. Reviewers are pretty happy with the sound quality of my tapes, and the bands' performances. This makes a strong case for my points.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 3:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

orgy of sound

Observe the Grateful Dead's semi-arrayed Alembic speaker cabinets on their stage. Those are JBL speakers inside Phil's, Jer's, and Bob's Alembic speaker cabinets. Notice Phil is playing his fantastic sounding Alembic bass. Phil's speakers are in the larger cabinets.
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This is RFK Stadium, June 10, 1973. Me, my mic, and my tape deck were just to the right of the guy who took this photo. The prototype version of the wall of sound is partially shown. What's recorded on my RFK tapes is the most incredible sound I ever heard or witnessed.

Bill Gadsden's partial AUD from this show is patched into my tapes in a few places. In particular, my tapes are missing the first 14 minutes of the 2nd set opener of Eyes of the World. We only have a few tracks of Bill's tapes from this show, but thankfully he had Eyes. His recording sounds equally impressive.

my taping equipment on June 9 / 10, 1973

Sony TC 2850 SD portable stereo cassette recorder
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Sony ECM 99 stereo mic
my mic was hand-held on a mic-stand shaft

— my mic's shaft was elevated by raising my arm up high while taping both shows —



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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 3:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Monte, what's the secret to displaying images?

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 4:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Hunter, it's no secret that it's HTML coding. The trick is to use a HTTP link with it, and anchor that to your image. There's ways around that. I have several years experience creating web pages here, and administrating my items on The Archive. I'm use some additional HTML coding for page structuring.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate



This post was modified by hseamons on 2011-01-17 01:02:29

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Poster: daliguana Date: Jan 17, 2011 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Hunter - first, get yourself an account at photobucket. Second, find a pic of your nemesis and put it on your desktop (or other place that's easy to find). Third, upload that photo. Fourth, copy the HTML link and post it thusly:
Hunter Seamons
Fifth, anticipate retaliation and post embarrassing photo in a preemptive surprise attack thusly:
the oliver hardy
...didn't we go over this a couple years ago?

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 17, 2011 10:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Heady.

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Poster: Edsel Date: Jan 17, 2011 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Or.....
nevermind .....

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 17, 2011 4:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Jer shooting at Tapers & Matrix-makers

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The Stories of Jerry Moore
— from the Grateful Dead Listening Guide —

R.I.P. June 3, 2009 — taper Jerry Moore
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I was a better Taper than Jer was as a taper-killer.

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Hunter Seamons — the "serial Matrixer"

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committing ear-crimes on the LMA

Hunter's Trix boxed set on The Archive's LMA
— Hunter Seamons' entire GD Matrix collection —



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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 17, 2011 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Beyond heady.

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Poster: BVD Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Monte I'm listening to your tape from 6/10/73. Dark Star to be precise and it's wonderful. Thanks for putting it up. I was at 8/1/73 at Roosevelt Stadium and I think you were there as well. Did you tape this show as well? Is it available?

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I was at both Roosevelt Stadium shows in 1973, on July 31 and Aug 1. I taped both shows on my Nakamichi 550. Jerry's b'day was enjoyed by all of us at both shows. It began on July 31st, with the 2nd set, after midnight. I saw your review next to mine for the Aug 1 show.

Roosevelt Stadium was the smokin' follow-up to the June 9 & 10 shows at RFK Stadium, in Wash D.C. Watkins Glen was way too many people for me to enjoy it, but I went there with my friends. I saw many of the other east coast shows in '73, up north, like Nassau Coliseum and the Spectrum. RFK Stadium had the best "sound" I ever heard -- hands down. The Dead played great there. It was the sound system that nailed it. Best sound that I EVER heard coming out of a PA System, period! Perfect. Roosevelt Stadium came in 2nd for me because these 2 shows are very exciting, especially set 2 on July 31. Definitely very special. Definitely history. Some of the best of the early Wall of Sound era.

My Roosevelt Stadium tapes circulated locally in 1973. I was disappointed with their sound quality. It's mostly due to a bit too much feedback, a fairly steady lousy ringing, a slight but crappy echo, the PA was tinny sounding. I was with my friends. Their location and my taping location was the same spot. Sorta shitty sounding at my mic's exact location, compared to what it should've been. Plus I had my tapes confiscated by the Hell's Angels on July 31. Other better sounding sources are already in circulation today.

2 years ago I transferred my Aug 1 tape and uploaded to Salah as a special favor to him. I asked him not to circulate it. Salah is the guy who is The_Bus.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: Jan 15, 2011 10:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Ultimately, I prefer the great, and well done Matrix to the pristine soundboard for the reasons mentioned. I like that "Being there" feeling you cannot get when the audience is not near the taper. Nothing is like that, and having spent so many shows at or around the trees of mic's, I know that area well.

But, I feel that so many great audience shows capture it even better. The Matrix is by nature a hybrid. By being a hybrid, it's an interpretation, and as such, somebody's interpretation of what it should be. Maybe the best quality tape is the soundboard? But, maybe not... I suggest paying some attention to Icepetal, and the grateful dead listening guide at http://www.deadlistening.com/ He's got the best take on aud's, imho.

Pay attention, my brothers. Pay heed, or should I say head? The man knows from where he speaks (am I mixing too many metaphors?)

Great stuff.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Yes, a matrix is a hybrid, but a SBD or AUD is also an "interpretation."

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 16, 2011 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

"AUD recordings from the 70s are worthless, EXCEPT for use in creating a MATRIX"

With this statement you've established yourself as a complete knucklehead in my eyes. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this completely bogus statement comes from ignorance.

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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 16, 2011 3:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Well- this one's pretty good. Most are not though. And kindly quit the name-calling.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1979-01-20.nak700.moore.bertha.100025.flac16

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jan 16, 2011 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Sorry about that, it was totally inappropriate. Rereading what I wrote, I'm not sure what the hell I was thinking

Anyway, a kinder way to put my opinion forth would have been: There are LOTS of really great AUDs from the 70s out there, and you should check them out. Here are some of my favorites:

6/24/70
3/21/70
11/8/70
6/22/73
7/1/73
All from '74
9/28/75 (!!)
Lots from '76
6/4/77

I'd come up with more but I'm tired. Thanks for calling me out on my jackassery (seriously).

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

http://www.archive.org/details/gd_nrps70-06-24.aud.pcrp5.23062.sbeok.flacf

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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I will definitely check them out! I appreciate all the lists that people generate here and welcome any enlightenment that may come along with them. And even being proven wrong. I still prefer the Jay Ashley source of the 9/28/75 show tho:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd75-09-28.sbd.bertha-ashley.22257.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I enjoy the sound of some of those DAW bertha remasters over the original SDBs. For the early 70s GD SBDs, I suggest you try a place called Veneta in 1972. The bertha-ashley remaster of Veneta streams here.

We've had streaming issues, server disruptions, browser problems, and the New Years eve shows that just came up. That's when I stumbled across another bertha-ashley remaster for New Years eve 1972 SBD.

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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Oh- I guess this is not really an AUD since it was processed by Jay and his DAW. So for all you AUD holier than thou types, by all means don't poison your collection with this one.

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Poster: Round Robin Date: Jan 16, 2011 3:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

70's AUD's are worthless? How about the most obvious, 08/06/71?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Bingo.

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Poster: gratefuldonny Date: Jan 16, 2011 8:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

the one instance i prefer the matrix to the aud or sbd is

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-08-05.mtx.chappell.97014.flac16

the next night's aud is part of my regular rotation and gets my vote as one of the band's greatest moments. I also have the road trips sbd treatment which sadly is not the complete show. however i've never heard the matrix since it is no longer available for streaming. since it uses the same sources as the previous night, i imagine it is incredible.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Only slightly less obvious is 7/1/73

Judging by the rather mediocre quality of the performances fourempties has selected in his laughable "Sick Transfer of Day" recommendations, I suspect that his knowledge of 1970's Grateful Dead is rudimentary at best...

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jan 16, 2011 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Jeez, this is Universal City we're talking about here. As in LA daze. It was psychedelic just to get to your seat. OTOH, one the best places to see a show in LA.

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Poster: jmb1 Date: Jan 17, 2011 10:58am
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this show sounds amazing....agreed....

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Poster: huntr Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

In general I like them..

Im just a little bummed that the one show I always wanted to get one for... has to be possibly one of the worst ones ever made IMO

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Hunter, is this what you were looking for?

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I only did three, but it is easy to do.

Follow this link...http://www.allhtmlcodes.com/image_code_generator.php

cut and paste your image url in the space provided and click the "generate" button

copy and pate the resulting html code into your LMA post





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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

WOW, yes! Thank you! Man, I just noticed imageshack gives the darn HTML codes. I am so out of it! Let's see if these work:

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Yeah, that helps. Thank you imageshack!

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 6:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate with a HTML demo

— HTML coding demo for you Hunter —

Americana is what I taped

Nakamichi 550
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— Cowboys, Hillbillies, Hippies, & Gypsies —

Monte's Taper catalog on The Archive

Grateful Dead
hippies
cowboys / gypsies
June 9 & 10, 1973
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NewGrass Jam
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
April 7, 1974
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Central Park Sheiks
hippies
gypsies
May 15, 1974
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Bluegrass festival
cowboys
hillbillies
July 20, 1974
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Hillbilly Jazz
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
April 4 & 5, 1975
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Bluegrass Alliance
cowboys
hillbillies
Sept 23, 1975
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Newgrass Revival
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Sept 28, 1975
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Boone Creek
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
March 15, 1976
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Lazy River
hippies / cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Vince Gill mode - 1976
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Lazy River
hippies / cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Mark O'Connor mode - 1976
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Steel Guitar Convention
cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Labor Day wknd 1976
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Lazy River
hippies / cowboys
hillbillies / gypsies
Oct 25, 1976
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Arabesque
hippies
cowboys / gypsies
July 31, 1980
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Arabesque
hippies
cowboys / gypsies
Oct 25, 1980
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Van Manakas quartet
hippies
gypsies
March 1, 1984
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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate with a HTML demo

I'm intrigued.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 16, 2011 8:52pm
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Hunter, about 24 months ago at Lossless Legs, I commented to you that you might consider doing a matrix for 6/9/73. I said that Kevin Tobin had recently matrixed the 6/10/73 show. I said I had just circulated my 6/9 AUD. You said you would give it a listen.

I experimented with it myself some months back, to see how well it might work. Point is, the 6/9 SBD and my 6/9 AUD speeds are somewhat off. I tried some pitch correction and resampling schemes. The SBD vs AUD speed differential slews over the span of the show for 6/9. I recall that it was different for each track. I had to stretch the times a little bit for the 1st set. Then I had to start compressing the times during the 2nd set. This was a big problem. A tape tension error, or a reel-servo error, could cause a problem like this. The matrix would start sounding a bit thick and muddy when I mixed it Samplitude's VIP mode. I was using 60% SDB / 40% AUD mix.

There's only one other partial AUD for 6/9 to compare with. This source is a Nagra, but the mic location really sucks. The taper is way back in the stands. It sounds like he was in the end zone. But I d/l that Loose Lucy anyway, just to compare that tape speed with mine. If I remember correctly, his tape is yet a 3rd and different speed. Never mind this source.

Both my 6/9 and 6/10 AUDs had some tape damage. Also, a couple of the master cassette reels were transplanted into surrogate housings. It was a lot of work doing the transfer. I used my 37-year-old Nak 550. I'm wondering if maybe a fresh transfer from a much better cassette deck might be better. 16 months ago I acquired a very nice Nakamichi LX-3 deck. It has superior tape-handling. It features dual capstan motors for its tape transport.

There's a couple of spots in Kevin's matrix from 6/10 that sound out of sync. I think a matrix should be perfect. If we can get 6/9 matrixed perfectly with a fresh transfer, I can do a fresh transfer of 6/10 the same way, and we can fix that. There's a couple of flaws in my 6/9. Promised Land's crossfade isn't matched well. I've fixed that. Playin' in the Band has a flaw deep into the jam. It's a cut, and I missed that when I remastered it. I think my deck was accidentally paused during taping.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 17, 2011 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate with a HTML demo

Hey Monte,

Yeah, I recall that conversation, and thank you for the suggestion. The speed issues you are describing do not sound too problematic for achieving sync throughout the show. I do recall, however, that I tried that 6/9 out and was not digging the results in general - while it is a sweet AUD recording. This was WAY back in '08, I think, so I might hear it differently now. On top of that, I have undergone some unexplainable condition where I feel an overwhelming sense of matrix paralysis, as though Cliff has put a voodoo curse on me or something. I hope I can muster up some matrix powers this year, or forever hold my peace, but there's some strange vibes goin' down here and I think the only solution is binge drinking.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 17, 2011 9:29am
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Yes, I've been paralyzed too with similar issues. I'm on a parallel track to you. It's been established here that AUDs are evil and Tapers like me are terrorists. Peace is unfathomable.

I have my MMJ permit and I'm surrounded by MMJ dispensaries to keep my sanity. Binging on 420 is healthy. Attempting to matrix "perfectly" the 6/9 and 6/10 shows is an act of self-destruction. Might be a couple of weeks of work. Could be suicide. That's why I've avoided this.

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 17, 2011 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate with a HTML demo

Or doing a movie marathon.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jan 17, 2011 10:02am
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Did you ever see the movie I made at the Xtra Normal site? I wrote, shot cameras, produced, and directed my movie for the Fort Collins City Council to watch. I also e-mailed them. I was trying to tell them to get the Fort Collins cops to stop driving their SUVs on our bicycle paths when all they're doing is routine patrols. That's bullshit for non-emergencies! 2 years ago one cop was patrolling Poudre Trail in his Crown Victoria cruiser. I was riding my bicycle the other way. Poudre Trail is a recreation path. At this location it is narrow and it has some huge curves. The cop nearly ran me off the trail and into Poudre River. I'm still pissed off about that. I've seen the cops still doing these reckless patrols, in total disregared of: regulations, common sense, hazards to bicycle riders, and our peace and harmony.

Monte's "stop doing Poudre River Trail police patrols" movie

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

There are some good ones out there, but I'm preferring to listen to non matrix...I like natural...matrix mixes are like breast implants...

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Jan 16, 2011 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

"matrix mixes are like breast implants"

Well said!

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Poster: hseamons Date: Jan 16, 2011 8:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7765571/

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Poster: Zaorish Date: Jan 16, 2011 11:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I agree with you 100% about the 80s... it's got to be an AUD otherwise it sounds as flat as 8-bit video game music.

But the 70s...what everybody else said. SBDs are OK, but a good AUD is always preferable to the SBD. It's just a matter of the mic's positioning: Medium-low crowd noise, nice big drums, always better than a SBD. Matrixes often can "approximate" the "ideal mic position" and for that reason they're good.

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Poster: bkidwell Date: Jan 15, 2011 8:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I absolutely love well done sbd+aud matrix recordings, they are always my first choice when available. I believe the best results are from using a single aud in the matrix mix, rather than multiple aud sources. For me, they create the "you are there" feeling better than anything else.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jan 16, 2011 5:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I think y'all know my feeling on this one. I do agree that for the most part SBD's from the earlier years a preferrable. This is not to say that there are no good AUDs from the early years, bedcause there are. The Palladium shows and RFK come to mind, but when you start to get into the late 70's, as the consistent quality of the AUDs really take off, a well done matrix is my first choice. Now there have been some efforts that I have not been a fan of. Getting the timing just right on these is a true art and I can only imagine how difficult it must be, especially given the irregularities in tape speed from one deck to another. When the synching of two sources is not done just right, it results in an annoying "echo" effect that is quite annoying. My utmost respect goes out to those who labor to produce an excellent product.

This is a debate that has no right answer. Purists on both sides will never be convinced, and that is fine. But for those of us who love having the best of both worlds, a well done matrix is like manna from heaven.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Jan 16, 2011 6:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

^^^^^
Ditto on what SDH said!!!

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Poster: fourempties Date: Jan 16, 2011 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

Ok- maybe I should have said...for the most part 70s AUD recordings are worthless. 7/1/73 is pretty good but doesn't make it any where near the best sounding transfer of the 70s. Not even close. I will agree with the majority that Cliff is a real downer. Most of us are here to have a little fun and gain some knowledge despite Cliff's efforts to drag everyone into his pool of misery. Lighten up dude. The sun is shining. Life is good.

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Poster: daliguana Date: Jan 17, 2011 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

have to pipe in and say that a buddy of mine recently said (of cliff), "last person I'd like to be seated next to at a show" - lighten up, Francis

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: Jan 17, 2011 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The MATRIX debate

I do not like them.